There is talk about which pieces belong in the minimal WPF and which pieces do not.
In my opinion, keeping the controls out was a good idea as the controls in the real WPF are a bit too big.
Dynamic Language Runtime: the dynamic language runtime is an integral part of the Silverlight distribution.
Dynamic Language Runtime
The Dynamic Language Runtime was announced today. Jim Hugunin's blog has the
details and rumor is that in the next couple of days/weeks he will be posting on his blogs the technical details behind the design of the DLR.
Binaries of the DLR were released today as part of Silverlight 1.1, and the source code was included with IronPython 2.0 (also released today).
The release for the DLR is done under the terms of the Microsoft Permissive License (MsPL) which is by all means an open source license. This means that we can use and distribute the DLR as part of Mono without having to build it from scratch. A brilliant move by Microsoft.
During the keynote they announced support for four dynamic languages built on top of the DLR: Python, JavaScript (ECMAScript 3.0), Visual Basic and Ruby.
The rumor on the halls is that IronPython and Ruby will be released under the MsPL license, while ECMAscript and Visual Basic will continue to be proprietary. From Jim's announcement:
For the short term, our focus is on using a small number of languages to drive the first wave of DLR development where we can work closely and face-to-face with the developers in order to iron out the worst kinks in the DLR design. After this initial phase, we want to reach out to the broader language community. If you're building a language on top of .NET and are interested in supporting dynamic language features then we want your feedback on the DLR. However, I'd discourage you from trying to implement on top of the DLR today. I don't want you to get frustrated trying to work with these really early bits and then not be interested in working with us when we're better prepared to engage with the language community. We plan to kick off a broader engagement with language implementers at the upcoming lang.net conference in three months - at the end of July. This will be the best place to really engage with the DLR and let us know what we got wrong.
Mono and Silverlight
For a long time a common question that the Mono team was when we were planning on implementing WPF.
Most people want to hear a date like "tomorrow", "next month", "in a year". But the answer is more complex than just thinking "we can do this in N months".
We as a team have to evaluate the cost of implementing a technology and contrast it with the impact that such technology would have. With our finite development resources (in the Mono community and the companies contributing to it) we have to pick our battles.
And implementing WPF was never really high up on the priority list for a couple of reasons:
- WPF requires a very big investment before things will start working.
- Users of WPF is limited to those starting new applications and are willing to start those applications using WPF.
- Only a minority of existing users (Windows.Forms) were willing to rewrite their software to move it to WPF. The rest basically will continue developing Windows.Forms and using the technologies they have been using for the time being.
So it is fair to say that we currently do not have plans to look at WPF.
But a Mono-based Silverlight is an entirely different story. Unlike WPF that requires people to rewrite their software to take advantage of it, Silverlight is aimed at the Web and it will become a nice complement, a way of spicing up existing web applications without rewriting what already works.
It makes tons of sense for us to start looking at an implementation of Silverlight on Linux with Mono. There is already a XAML loader, it is the perfect excuse to use Antigrain for high-speed graphics and that only leaves the pesky media issue to be solved.
In fact, am kind of happy that Microsoft did not do the port themselves as implementing this sounds incredibly fun and interesting.
Upsides
The major upside of this show has been how open the Microsoft folks have been open to discuss technicalities of any sorts.
I had the chance of participating on an open source panel at the conference and PHP, Mozilla, SubSonic.NET and Mono were well represented and I did not fell any angry mood from anyone.
There is also a surprising amount of talk about using the MsPL license, again, all good news.
Finally, I also made tons of new friends, have had a great time with everyone I have met here. I also noticed that both Jon Udell and Dave Winer both look happier, they were always smiling,
IE 8?
Someone mentioned (and I forget whom it was) that talk about IE8 was strangely missing from the whole conversation. There were no announcements about new upcoming features in IE, no mention of whether IE8 will support what-wg nor any future plans.
Predictions
So how did my
predictions score?
- "They will spend most of the time showing the new features in the recently released Orcas and probably the Silverlight media encoder." At least on the keynote there were little demos of Orcas, most of the demos were demos about Expression, but they did show the Silverlight media encoder. Am going to give myself half a point.
- "There will be a fresh Silverlight update." score 1.
- "Blend and Expression Design will probably ship as a final product, or a new beta will be released." They did. score 1.
- "Dynamic Language Runtime: a set of class libraries with some sort of supporting infrastructure in the CLR to help dynamic language authors speed up their code.". score 1.
- "Javascript: probably Microsoft will announce that they are upgrading the JScript compiler in .NET." Although they did announce that it would be writing a new JavaScript compiler, it is not clear if its a research prototype to test the DLR or the real thing, so am going to go with half a point.
- "Silverlight will bundle a micro-clr." Silverlight bundled a full CLR. So zero points, although I was close.
- "Silverlight for Linux. And if there is no announcement, we should try to get someone drunk enough to get them to do it." There was no announcement of Silverlight for Linux, but I was still kind of joking. But I did get drunk with senior Microsoft employees. One point.
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